[MJourney]

Hello all,

A month ago, I posted to get opinions on whether to get a 2023 TLX Type S PMC or wait for the 2024 Integra Type S. After some more research and some test drives, I am leaning toward the TLX over the Integra. As much fun as the manual would be, it just wouldn't be ideal as my only car. I also like the interior of the TLX much better than in the Integra.

I have a reservation for a white PMC and based on the Red PMC availability, anticipate it to be available at the end of January or early February. Now I am deciding on whether I would be happier with the PMC or waiting a year and getting a 2024 model which hopefully is a mid-cycle refresh. There have been random posts from people who claim to have insider information.

I plan to keep this car for at least 10 years. White is my favorite color on a car and usually match it with a black interior but after test driving a white on red TLX, I am ok with the red interior. I love all the black painted accents and carbon fiber mods. The only thing (besides the PMC placard) that can't be done after purchase with a base type S is the copper wheels, which isn't something I care about (I prefer the black rims myself). Having a special edition is nice but isn't that special to me. I can drive my current car another year (2011 BMW 328i) by which time it will be at 80k miles and ready for some major maintenance. I want to trade it in before to maximize the value I get in the car without paying for maintenance that doesn't help trade in value.

The biggest additions that the refresh could bring that would give me FOMO are:
1. A HP bump to at least 400
2. 360 camera and HUD on Type S model (to help me park without scraping the front bumper)
3. No auto upshift in manual mode (really no reason drive in manual mode if it doesn't let you hit the redline)
4. USB connections in the back

What do you think are the chances that the 2024 model is a mid-year refresh and which of the items above are likely to be added?

My dealer hasn't given me a final price yet for the PMC. I told them I am not willing to pay markup when they took my deposit. If they try to add markup that will make my decision to wait easier. If they don't do markup and give me a good trade-in value for my old car that might get me to go ahead and get the PMC.

Thoughts or insights would be greatly appreciated. Either way, based on the cars that are available this year, in the price range I am comfortable with (50-64k), the TLX wins hands down. If my work suddenly decides to give me a nice raise, I would maybe consider a fully loaded Audi RS3 (and then kick myself after the car goes past 5 years maintaining the car becomes expensive).

 

[Elevatorguy]

I don’t see Acura doing a refresh for 24 or adding any hp to it.

Also, not sure what you’re hoping to get on trade but I doubt it will be a very good number on a 12 year old bmw.

 

[MarcoTLX]

As I’ve said before If I was you I’d get the Type-S PMC if it’s sold to you at MSRP and you can get what you think is fair for your trade-in. I would not really even wait around for the uncertainty of hoping there will be a refresh that includes a HP increase. If you can’t get MSRP and the dealer refuses to budge on markup then by all means wait if that’s what you want to do, but in the event that happens I’d just go buy a regular white on red Type-S.

Me personally, though I’m on the wait list for a Long Beach Blue PMC Type-S I’m not counting on being able to get one or spending the kind of money my dealer would ask for one. I’m really just setting my sights for a regular Type-S and calling it a day myself but I won’t be waiting for a 2024 refresh, I wanna buy 2023 this year or a pre-owned Type-S (if the selling price makes sense for the miles and age) I can live without HUD (though I want it) , 360 Camera, and such.

I don’t see Acura doing a refresh for 24 or adding any hp to it.

Also, not sure what you’re hoping to get on trade but I doubt it will be a very good number on a 12 year old bmw.

Well maybe they might give him the top-end of his trade allowance… but I’m sure he got a sizable downpayment ready to go.

 

[MJourney]

You think it will be the 2025 that gets a mid cycle refresh?

i think KBB is 7k for my BMW. If they offer me 8k that could push me to go ahead with the PMC. Ok truecar a comprable car sells for 18k.

 

[MJourney]

I think my brain is just trying to kill time until the car is delivered. If the dealer had called me and said there was a white pmc on the lot if I wanted it I would be 2k miles deep into it already…

 

[Elevatorguy]

They are not going to give you 8k for a 12 year old 328. They will probably hit you at $500-$1500 for it. They know why you’re getting rid of it. If you think it’s worth that, Try to sell it outright. Waiting on the refresh is the wrong choice, you either want it or you don’t.

 

[MJourney]

lol if I only get $1500 for my BMW I will just keep driving it for 3 years. There's nothing wrong with it and it only has 74k miles. I just don't want to be around for the 80k and 90k services but the 80k service should be $3k at max. I did a KBB quote offer for my local BMW and it said they would give me 7.1k. I'm going to try to stop in to let them inspect it and see how much the real amount turns out to be.

 

[Elevatorguy]

If you can get 7k for a 12 year old 328 I’d jump on that asap.

 

[MJourney]

My local BMW offered $5500 for it today and I turned them down. An hour later a personal friend of the person who appraised my vehicle called and said he has been wanting a similar car and his friend at BMW told him I was selling mine and offered $7500 for it. We are going to meet up in a few days and I will try to get $8k for it.

I contacted my Acura dealer today to see if they got the got the final price for the PMC yet and told them I won’t pay markup. The manager, instead of the salesman that took my deposit, replied and said that they do have a 5k markup and that they don’t even know if they are getting an allocation…. I told them to go ahead and refund my deposit.

I test drove a M2 completion while I was at my the dealership today and man is it fun. Afterwards I stopped at the Audi dealership and will be going in to test drive a S3 in a week when they get one in.

I really wanted a TLX Type S but it looks like I’m going to be pushed toward the Germans again…

I have another Acura dealership near me that doesn’t charge markup so if I don’t get a m2 or RS3 allocation this year (was quoted 6 months minimum) then maybe I’ll look at the Acura Integra type a or 2024 tlx type s another go.

 

[MarcoTLX]

Well if I may ask what’s stopping you from getting a regular TLX Type-S? Have you tried the BMW M340i xDrive? It’s pretty fast for the segment and you could find a pre-owned certified 2020-2021 for around $48k-$56k

 

[Elevatorguy]

I wanted an s4 originally, down the road maintenance cost changed my mind. Then I really wanted a 340m until I realized they’re built in Mexico. After that I was gonna order a Lexus is500 but after driving a 350 I canceled that idea. The is platform is just too small. That’s how we ended up at the type S. Good luck with your deal!

 

[flatlandTLX]

My local BMW offered $5500 for it today and I turned them down. An hour later a personal friend of the person who appraised my vehicle called and said he has been wanting a similar car and his friend at BMW told him I was selling mine and offered $7500 for it. We are going to meet up in a few days and I will try to get $8k for it.

I contacted my Acura dealer today to see if they got the got the final price for the PMC yet and told them I won’t pay markup. The manager, instead of the salesman that took my deposit, replied and said that they do have a 5k markup and that they don’t even know if they are getting an allocation…. I told them to go ahead and refund my deposit.

I test drove a M2 completion while I was at my the dealership today and man is it fun. Afterwards I stopped at the Audi dealership and will be going in to test drive a S3 in a week when they get one in.

I really wanted a TLX Type S but it looks like I’m going to be pushed toward the Germans again…

I have another Acura dealership near me that doesn’t charge markup so if I don’t get a m2 or RS3 allocation this year (was quoted 6 months minimum) then maybe I’ll look at the Acura Integra type a or 2024 tlx type s another go.

Just my opinion but if you are comfortable with spending the money on a BMW, I have no idea why you would pick a TLX Type S over a BMW in the first place. I like my A-Spec but it's not in the same conversation as a BMW. My 8 year old 5 series that I traded in for my 2021 A-Spec was superior in every way except for age and technology. If it wasn't for the fact that it was getting over 90k on the clock and I wanted CarPlay (and I practically stole my TLX), I wouldn't have made the trade. I will say that the TLX is a better looking car than the current crop of BMW's.

Agree with the comments above that a refresh is at least another year out and not worth waiting for unless you aren't really that interested in changing cars. Sounds like you are already leaning that way.

EDIT: I didn't buy another BMW because I wanted to buy a car that I could drive with confidence for 8-10 years and the BMW's that I looked at were $20k more expensive than the TLX price I paid. Bang for the buck, the TLX was the best car in its class when I got mine.

 

[ijm5012]

I don’t see Acura doing a refresh for 24 or adding any hp to it.

Why not?

The MMC has been seen on public roads in camouflage. The RDX had 3 MY before its MMC (19-20-21, refreshed for 22). The TLX design is in its 3rd year right now with the 23 MY.

OP, Unless you really were going to buy all the carbon fiber bits for a normal Type S, or like the PMC white that much more than the standard white Pearl, I’d say wait to see what the 2024 brings with its refresh.

Personally, I think the PMC is overhyped. It’s nothing more than appearance package on a regular Type S.

 

[Elevatorguy]

Just my guess. I agree with you on the pmc although that red is sweet.

 

[ijm5012]

Just my guess. I agree with you on the pmc although that red is sweet.

I’ve not seen one in person, but in the photos that red does nothing for me. And I say that as someone who owns a Performance Red Pearl TLX.

Curva Red is nowhere near the Valencia Red Pearl on the previous gen TLX PMC either. That color is absolutely gorgeous.

Also, they couldn’t even bother to color match the door handles? Really? It makes it look like a discount vinyl wrap job IMO.

 

[Elevatorguy]

Idk, I’m not normally a red paint fan but that curva red is awesome. I told my wife she can pick any color she wanted as long as it was black. Just like Henry Ford lol.

 

[Kevinmac]

You think it will be the 2025 that gets a mid cycle refresh?

i think KBB is 7k for my BMW. If they offer me 8k that could push me to go ahead with the PMC. Ok truecar a comprable car sells for 18k.

Forget about kbb, they will use their own apprasil. If it comes close to kbb great, but I am sure it wont. Go to Carmax if they come in real low and see what they offer!
A car that old with that amount of miles will go to auction.

 

[flatlandTLX]

Idk, I’m not normally a red paint fan but that curva red is awesome. I told my wife she can pick any color she wanted as long as it was black. Just like Henry Ford lol.

Black is fine if it's the right black. My 5 series was gloss black with no metallic and that thing was a swirl mark magnet. I never got the paint corrected and just worked on it myself, but it was covered with swirl marks when I bought it and I never got it to the point where I was "proud" of how the paint looked.

 

[DMSR]

Unfortunately but expectedly, Acura doesn't really do anything performance related in a refresh or update unless it is a fix to rectify some issue in a previous model year(ex: 1G TLX V6 ZF9SPD being weird). They have a certain mentality about performance in relation to reliability among numerous other factors, so I doubt we will even see a horsepower bump.

The only change in recent memory was the addition of an option to have carbon fiber and aluminum interior accent options on ccertain trims(new for 2022). MAYBE in the future they'll change up the colors or give it a slightly different bumper design, but more like the RDX(MY19-21 vs MY22-present) and not like the transition from the beak to the diamond grille.

In my short ownership and experience in the ~2018-present era of the brand, I see that Acura makes a solid product from the getgo, then let it ride out until it starts to show signs of fatigue on the market then they either do a rather inconsequential refresh(ILX, TLX, RLX) or send it to its next generation(RDX). In the case of the 2G TLX, it's doing well enough like the RDX and not in the same boat as the beak to diamond grille cars that we probably won't see any major changes.

 

[TexasMadDawg]

I'd like to see HUD and a 360° camera at a very minimum. Couple that with 400 or more horsepower and I'm the definite owner of a brand spanking new 2024 TLX Type S. I'm about 75% to 80% without an upgrade. I've never owned anything but a black vehicle and only one of those didn't have a black interior. I'm thinking about a change and was pondering performance red pearl until I saw the apex blue in person. That's a beautiful color! Now I'm not sure which of the colors I'd get. I saw an RDX in the tiger eye pearl and didn't like the change to brown when the viewing angle changed.